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Artemis 2

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I think NASA is launching Artemis 2 in May 2024, is that event significant enough to be put on this page? InjectableBacon (talk) 18:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it's been pushed back to November. But should definitely be included if/when the mission happens. It'll be the closest humans have come to the Moon since the early 1970s. Wjfox2005 (talk) 08:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 00:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's also been pushed back to 2025, so maybe on that page? (also artemis iii should go on the 2026 page) 2600:8802:3A0B:3000:2CCD:AD72:18E2:C2B9 (talk) 23:19, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jueni 61.5.28.69 (talk) 22:27, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023 AFC Asian Cup

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The tournament will start on January 19, 2024. Shouldn't we add this? Aminabzz (talk) 09:15, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, it is a regional sporting event. It is the same reason we don't add the superbowl or the NBA finals. PaulRKil (talk) 17:32, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
سالطان 134.35.134.39 (talk) 17:43, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Should the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse be included? I oppose inclusion.

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I keep removing it and someone keeps adding the entry back.

I oppose inclusion because the casualty toll is low, it is a domestic transportation disaster in the United States, and has not caused major disruption to the U.S. or global economy compared to say the 2021 Suez Canal obstruction.

The entry is:

  • March 26 – A container ship collides with the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore, United States, causing a total collapse of the bridge and the deaths of six people.

JohnAdams1800 (talk) 15:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I tentatively think include this entry. I agree that the casualty count is low and it is a domestic event, but the large amount of media coverage combined with the uniqueness of the event (a boat doesn't collide into a bridge and completely destroy it every day) outweighs the concerns I may have. Yeoutie (talk) 16:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Include. I have never seen so much media coverage on a single event since the terrorists attacked Israel. 30,000 people crossed that bridge every day before collapse. DementiaGaming (talk) 00:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Include. For the reasons already stated by Yeoutie and DementiaGaming. Wjfox2005 (talk) 18:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Include. Major impact on the world economy. With all due respect, all the "domestic" arguments have been refuted and RFC'd out of oblivion – they're utterly worthless and irrelevant now. I would encourage all the "domestic" arguers to find a better reason to exclude entries. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 20:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What has been the "impact on the world economy"? I seriously ask why the major newspapers have not reported an "impact on the world economy" such as the pandemic, the invasion of Ukraine or the conflict in the Red Sea (and not the collapse of a bridge). _-_Alsor (talk) 20:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:DUE. I'm afraid to say (albeit a bit late) that we are governed by WP Policy, and not the deprecated International Notability standard. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 02:41, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does Biden's withdrawal from the 2024 U.S. presidential election merit an entry? I support inclusion.

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I added the entry after it was featured in ITN, and support inclusion. There is a case for its exclusion, because it's Americentric, but I believe it merits inclusion for making international headlines (like Trump's conviction and assassination attempt) and Biden being the first president to withdraw after the primaries but before the convention. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 23:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

exclude domestic politics, just another political drama. This is not ITN nor Portal: Current Events. Please use 2024 in the United States. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Include It is similar, in my opinion, to when we add constitutional monarchs announcing their eventual abdication as we’ve done in the past. To me, Biden is doing the same by deciding to suspend his campaign with the caveat that Biden has far more power and significance in his office than any constitutional monarch. PaulRKil (talk) 18:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
cannot be the same because Biden has not resigned. He is still president of the United States. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:22, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Include. Major news, about a major political figure. Wall-to-wall coverage on TV, online, etc. Wjfox2005 (talk) 09:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Include. As stated before, just because a measure is a domestic event does not mean it should not be included, as we use DUE Weight by coverage instead per WP:DUE. We have dismissed International Notability before. Go start a new RFC on VPPR if you want to bring it back. We don't need more bludgeoning after the April 2023 ANI fiasco. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak include. I agree that such a domestic political situation shouldn't normally be included, but the widespread international coverage on this topic warrants inclusion. Yeoutie (talk) 18:24, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The Move Forward Party Entry

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We currently have this event listed in August: August 7 – The Move Forward Party is dissolved and Pita Limjaroenrat, alongside other senior politicians from the party, are banned from politics by the Constitutional Court of Thailand.

Should this be here? I think it's more of a domestic event that really isn't related to any larger event. I'd say it would be notable if it caused larger event like civil unrest but I don't think that has occurred and is therefore more suitable for 2024 in Thailand. PaulRKil (talk) 13:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support because the MFP (Move Forward Party) won the most votes in the 2023 Thai general election but was blocked by the Thailand-military dominated Senate from joining a ruling coalition and confirming Pita Limjaroenrat as prime minister of Thailand. This was because the MFP proposed amending Thailand's strict lese majeste laws, which got the party dissolved.
If there is a consensus to exclude, that's fine. I opposed the entry for ITN because Pita Limjaroenrat wasn't an incumbent head of government/state, but thought it was worth mentioning in 2024. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 15:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Include. This was a major political party, which drew international attention as it challenged the older, established military/royalist structures in Thailand. Its dissolution is notable in terms of Southeast Asian politics and democracy in the region. Wjfox2005 (talk) 15:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 collage

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As we head towards the end of the year, these are suggestions for the 2024 collage:

ArionStar (talk) 03:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Time has reached September 16, and in my opinion, the 2024 Noto earthquake now has a strong competitor: Typhoon Yagi. So far, it has caused at least 881 deaths, 1,314 missing persons, and $14 billion in damage across 6 (and possibly 8) Asian countries. Its international impact is far greater than that of the Noto earthquake. The post-disaster assessment is still ongoing, and given that at least 1,314 people are missing, the future death toll is highly likely to exceed 1,000, and possibly even 2,000. Economic losses are also still being calculated; the current $14 billion loss could soon catch up to the Noto earthquake's $17.6 billion damage. Overall, I believe Typhoon Yagi is a more significant event than the Noto earthquake. Nagae Iku (talk) 17:22, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just now, the casualty figures have been updated again, with as many as 10,064 people possibly missing. If these missing persons are ultimately declared dead, I really can't think of any reason to oppose a tropical cyclone that has caused tens of thousands of deaths being included in the 2024 collage. Nagae Iku (talk) 17:40, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just did this collage. What about it? ArionStar (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed it. There is no consensus yet, and collages should not be added until the end of the year. DementiaGaming (talk) 23:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also had some ideas of my own, including the Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York and his more recent assassination attempt. Also, we should obviously include an image of the continuing Israel-Hamas war. It is impossible to ignore; there have been so many events related to it, including the Flour massacre, the Rafah offensive, and the spillover including events such as the 2024 Iran-Israel conflict, the 2024 missile strikes in Yemen, and the protests on university campuses. I also believe the Crocus City Hall attack is worthy enough to be included. DementiaGaming (talk) 23:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About Trump, we can expect, if he wins the presidential election, there would be just a only picture of his possible victory mentioning his assassination attempt in the caption; the Crocus attack is a good replacement for the prisoner exchange. ArionStar (talk) 23:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can add the Middle East event since the collage is currently supersaturated by American ones. ArionStar (talk) 23:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DementiaGaming: a new version uploaded. ArionStar (talk) 00:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support including the winner of the 2024 United States presidential election, which I presume the American flag is a placeholder for. The winner will make history--just to start, Trump will be the second non-consecutive president, Harris will be the first female president. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 01:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Inclusion of the 2024 Winner - my reasons are the same as Adams' above. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. I support this too. This is definitely the latest in a series of American elections that should have been included in the collages. DementiaGaming (talk) 14:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment in my opinion many of these entries are superfluous, and I think I would keep the helicopter crash that killed the president of Iran, the summer Olympics, the earthquake in Japan, the demonstrations in Bangladesh and perhaps the prisoner exchange and the floods in Brazil. The rest was notorious in the press, but without long impact for the rest of the year and for practical purposes: US elections are every 4 years and are always held ordinarily (we can open the debate if Harris becomes the first woman president. The election of Trump again would not be noticeable in that sense because it is no longer surprising); the collapse of the Francis Scott Key bridge did not have a noticeable continental, regional or global economic impact; the death of Piñera in an accident was very unfortunate, but he was no longer president of Chile.

I believe that the enlargement of BRICS, the attempted coup in Bolivia, the abdication of the Queen of Denmark, the integration of Sweden into NATO, the attack on Crocus City Hall, the enlargement of the Schengen Area, the Ecuador-Mexico crisis and the attempted assassination of a European head of government deserve more attention. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alsoriano97: this is the caption:
Clockwise, from top left: Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei leading the funeral for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps soldiers killed in a Israeli airstrike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus; protesters cheering in front of the Bangladeshi prime minister's office after Sheikh Hasina's resignation during the non-cooperation movement; multiple blue screens of death caused by a worldwide faulty CrowdStrike software update on baggage carousels at LaGuardia Airport, New York City; the 2024 United States presidential election is scheduled to be held on November 5; aftermath of a 7.5 magnitude earthquake that struck the Noto Peninsula in Japan, killed at least 339 people and injured 1,327 others; the 2024 Summer Olympics are held in Paris, France; people are seen as they watch the total solar eclipse of April 8, 2024 through protective glasses at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in Indiana; Krasnogorsk's Crocus City Hall auditorium after a attack that caused 145 deaths and injured 551, in the deadliest terrorist attack on Russian soil since the Beslan school siege in 2004.
It seems balanced enough, IMO. ArionStar (talk) 23:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update:
Clockwise, from top left: Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei leading the funeral prayer for Ismail Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, who was assassinated along with his personal bodyguard in Tehran by an apparent Israeli attack; protesters cheering in front of the Bangladeshi prime minister's office after Sheikh Hasina's resignation during the non-cooperation movement; multiple blue screens of death caused by a worldwide faulty CrowdStrike software update on baggage carousels at LaGuardia Airport, New York City; the 2024 United States presidential election is scheduled to be held on November 5; aftermath of a 7.5 magnitude earthquake that struck the Noto Peninsula in Japan, caused at least 376 deaths and injured 1,335 others; the 2024 Summer Olympics are held in Paris, France; people are seen as they watch the total solar eclipse of April 8, 2024 through protective glasses at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in Indiana; Krasnogorsk's Crocus City Hall auditorium after a attack that killed 145 people and injured 551, in the deadliest terrorist attack on Russian soil since the Beslan school siege in 2004. ArionStar (talk) 22:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should a Ban of Twitter in Brazil entry be included?

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ArionStar (talk) 15:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

YES something must be added on September Superyassi362 (talk) 10:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support because it received international coverage, and Elon Musk is an international public figure. These kinds of entries don't always have enough due weight, but this done does. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 00:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Exclude, I think an argument could be made if the ban of Twitter/X had its own article but it seems to be a small component of Brazils general issues with Elon Musk which is more fitting for 2024 in Brazil.
We currently don’t include India’s ban of TikTok in 2020 in spite of both India and TikTok being larger than Brazil and Twitter/X so it is hard for me to justify it here. PaulRKil (talk) 12:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Include. It does seem notable, given Twitter's influence. Wjfox2005 (talk) 10:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

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Inclusion of Israel-Hezbollah deadliest day

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Weak exclude for me. This is in regards to event outlining the deadliest day of the Israel-Hezbollah conflict since 2006. I'm not disregarding the amount of lives lost, which is a tragedy, but it isn't exactly a novel thing unlike the pager explosions, offensive in Rafah, and preemptive strikes in Lebanon. It's part of the Israel-Hezbollah conflict, and the even more broad Israel-Arab conflict. It is for the same reason that the Burkina Faso attacks that killed 200 people was removed. I want to reiterate: I'm not disregarding the tragic loss of life, and am not dismissing it as NORMAL, like an editor accused me of. I am just merely questioning its validity here in the 2024 article. This has been a divisive topic and I'd appreciate input. Thanks.

Include. Nearly 600 killed, thousands injured, and 90,000 displaced in just two days. Countries around the world – including the US, Canada, France and Japan – urging their citizens to leave. 700 British troops will be deployed to Cyprus to handle these evacuations. Front page headlines across major news outlets, and clearly an escalation of tensions in the region, not something to be dismissed so easily. Wjfox2005 (talk) 14:43, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Include because it marks the beginning of major hostilities. For ongoing major armed conflicts, the beginning of major hostilities usually deserves mention. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 01:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General consensus is that we don't include most deaths, apart from heads of state/government.

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The articles for years used to include a section of some very notable deaths, but this was discontinued due to disputes regarding whether some deaths should be mentioned, and which photographs should be included. Now we just have a link to Deaths in 2024.

  • One major exception is deaths of heads of state/government. We almost always include deaths of incumbents, and sometimes include deaths of previous heads of state/government. For prior heads, we use the same criteria for regular entries, including due weight and circumstances regarding their deaths.
  • A good example is the Killing of Yahya Sinwar, who led Hamas' de facto government of the Gaza Strip, which was included.

JohnAdams1800 (talk) 15:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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